tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post1916764947339105833..comments2023-12-26T04:04:10.180-08:00Comments on Spool Pidgin: Vox Day Round-Up: Schrodinger's SpacebunnyJames Worradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-60922032704205812962015-12-04T08:24:54.958-08:002015-12-04T08:24:54.958-08:00Spacebunny just attacked Lizz Winstead (creator of...Spacebunny just attacked Lizz Winstead (creator of The Daily Show) on Twitter. <br /><br />This dude's going down. My name is Horacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05035363951958700510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-64198944194172235642014-06-19T17:33:07.833-07:002014-06-19T17:33:07.833-07:00You sure are, pal! You're as wordy as one of t...You sure are, pal! You're as wordy as one of those things that tells you lots of different words for things. Hmm, what are they called again?James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-44861398868939363392014-06-19T12:46:28.665-07:002014-06-19T12:46:28.665-07:00Thesaurus Rex ipse suum mittit.Thesaurus Rex ipse suum mittit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760267581209497513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-16873022185956884482014-06-19T11:13:30.224-07:002014-06-19T11:13:30.224-07:00There's a lot of big words in there so I must ...There's a lot of big words in there so I must have Donne gud. Thanks, mate!James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-83343817979561888252014-06-19T07:53:58.142-07:002014-06-19T07:53:58.142-07:00The premise for this post is incredibly inane. Nev...The premise for this post is incredibly inane. Nevertheless, the prosody of your drivel is insouciantly entertaining. Hopefully, in future you will select more fruitfully imaginative, yet materially grounded, subject matter.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760267581209497513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-56653879915676911852014-06-19T03:16:42.454-07:002014-06-19T03:16:42.454-07:00Hee-hee. Thanks.Hee-hee. Thanks.James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-79683575484821665422014-06-19T02:27:58.831-07:002014-06-19T02:27:58.831-07:00" Narcissistic, nineties-obsessed, corpse-in-..." Narcissistic, nineties-obsessed, corpse-in-waiting Vox Day has--all you SF snark-watchers will no doubt have noticed by now--exceeded himself this time, racially insulting author and fully-rounded adult N K Jemisin in scenes reminiscent of a cage-humping baboon howling itself to climax."<br /><br />*snort*Tommy Hasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02419553799404129458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-80692432582067016662014-01-20T01:28:19.783-08:002014-01-20T01:28:19.783-08:00Well there we have to disagree. But I think the re...Well there we have to disagree. But I think the real issue here everyone is oddly and tellingly missing is the fact he apparently screwed a pool table while dressed as a rooster.James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-35654170361084196512013-07-29T18:23:17.413-07:002013-07-29T18:23:17.413-07:00He should come with a NSFW warning however.He should come with a NSFW warning however.James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-87294667888975883492013-07-22T15:43:10.397-07:002013-07-22T15:43:10.397-07:00Vox is a twat
Can't be - he lacks any depth, ...<i>Vox is a twat</i><br /><br />Can't be - he lacks any depth, warmth, or welcoming qualities.Phoenicianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04211507669622120640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-48737092114569505242013-07-13T09:06:25.231-07:002013-07-13T09:06:25.231-07:00Can't see the connection there, James, sorry -...Can't see the connection there, James, sorry - I'm not on any boat, there are no crocodiles, as Vox and his Ilk are not even in any sort of powerful position to "eat" people. My interest in Vox's blog is solely for the quality of the ideas - and an idea is right or wrong, regardless of whether believing it leads one to be eaten by crocodiles or not.<br /><br />And do you seriously think that the alternative (i.e., joining white left-liberals) is any better? Do you honestly think that left-liberals have the best interests of non-Americans at heart? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-42014441745676594342013-07-11T08:56:41.615-07:002013-07-11T08:56:41.615-07:00Can't help thinking of the man on the boat who...Can't help thinking of the man on the boat who keeps feeding the crocodile in the hope he'll be eaten last.James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-43626828104265540542013-07-02T13:34:12.426-07:002013-07-02T13:34:12.426-07:00Perhaps I'm assuming, but from your words it s...<i> Perhaps I'm assuming, but from your words it seems clear you're someone who doesn't know any non-white people, most likely as a result of your location. If you knew any-- worked them, drank/bowled with them or whatever there's no way you give any credence to Day's arsewater theories. You just wouldn't. It's hard to picture someone as a 'half-savage' when they've just fixed your PC and shared a packet of jaffa cakes.</i><br /><br />James, if you actually read my series of comments just now, I think it should have been clear that I am not white, and I am not American nor European. In fact, prior to me coming to the US for college, I have barely seen any white people (except in movies, of course) for over a decade. That's why I make reference to my "native country". For secondary school I lived for several years in a boarding school away from my home country, rooming with people from many different cultures and nations from all over Asia. On that basis I think I'm not completely ignorant with regards to being exposed to other cultures.<br /><br />You might say that I'm just lying - but to me, that would just be another sign that in the face of cognitive dissonance (i.e., why would a non-white person sympathize with any of Vox's posts?), you deny instead of consider the possibility that you might be wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-20928815068039344422013-06-30T03:47:00.694-07:002013-06-30T03:47:00.694-07:00Just the 19th? I thought this civilizing thing too...Just the 19th? I thought this civilizing thing took a thousand years (qv Vox Day's Northern Europe). This theory can be stretched and compressed like jello. And to suit taste. And facts.<br /><br /> physphilmusic; It's clear your not as mouth-dribblingly dumb as some of the faces here. Perhaps I'm assuming, but from your words it seems clear you're someone who doesn't know any non-white people, most likely as a result of your location. If you knew any-- worked them, drank/bowled with them or whatever there's no way you give any credence to Day's arsewater theories. You just wouldn't. It's hard to picture someone as a 'half-savage' when they've just fixed your PC and shared a packet of jaffa cakes.<br /><br />I live in the world's most multicultural city. When I read a Vox Day post and then go outside I'm reminded of that Bill Hicks skit where the news tells you 'MURDER, CRIME, RAPE, WAR' and then you step out your door and it's just crickets buzzing. James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-38174290871230036622013-06-27T19:19:16.058-07:002013-06-27T19:19:16.058-07:00I'm interested - on which chromosome do you be...<i>I'm interested - on which chromosome do you believe the ability to build a modern country is carried, and how exactly does it relate to skin color?<br /><br />Be sure to account for the Japanese in your answer...</i><br /><br />I certainly don't think genetics has anything to do with it, and neither does VD. Culture, however, is a huge factor, and the Japanese, having been exposed to Western technology and modernization since the 19th century, as opposed to the 20th (as is the case with many other developing countries), have had plenty of time to get used to modern civilization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-89812477874533030392013-06-27T19:16:07.423-07:002013-06-27T19:16:07.423-07:00I've already said that Africa is a continent a...<i>I've already said that Africa is a continent afflicted by the colonialism of several (ultimately resource-lucky)industrialized cultures and then latterly caught in the crossfire of the Cold War's machinations. </i><br /><br />But as I said, this doesn't really argue against the thesis. This only helps to explain <i>why</i> Africa is several centuries behind the West, and why its people are less civilized - their culture, due to these factors you're mentioning, have had less contact with civilized norms and need several generations to really catch up.<br /><br /><i>That the link between a high rate of black crime and black poverty isn't immediate to you I find odd to the point of delusional </i><br /><br />Yes, this is one point which makes me not very convinced whenever VD brings up black crime statistics. I would certainly like to see those statistics controlled for poverty. (Do you have a good source?) However, on the other hand I have read that even controlled for poverty, blacks are not as good as say Asians and whites in things like the SAT. This makes me rather biased towards accepting statements such as that the crime rate among blacks is probably worse than other races. But it is true that it is not right for me to have this kind of prejudice before looking at the facts, which is why I don't fully believe in VD's complaints about this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-26685606472753004212013-06-27T19:14:33.018-07:002013-06-27T19:14:33.018-07:00The south of Britain, for instance, was already Ro...<i>The south of Britain, for instance, was already Romanized before the Empire even arrived. And post-Roman Britain was a significantly different kettle of fish to, say, The Holy Roman Empire,and both of those were a world away in outlook and technology from the nomadic eastern tribes riding into Europe. To make almost any overarching statement about the entirety of post-Imperial Europe is a vanity at best and we should be suspicious of anyone who does.</i><br /><br />I agree with you that these views are so far simplistic. But they are blog posts, after all, and we all make generalizations about history at the amateur level all the time. I see this as no more simplistic than casually stating, e.g., that slavery was the cause of the American Civil War. It was certainly much more complicated than just slavery, but I won't go so far as saying that someone who says that is completely wrong. What I find initially appealing about this civilized vs. uncivilized theory (or rather, speculation), is that my impression of Europe up to, say, the 19th century, is that it wasn't a very civilized place - certainly better than the post-Roman Dark Ages, but still full of crime, squalor, poverty, lawlessness, etc. In several respects, 18th century Europe was similar to the state of many developing countries today - including my own native country. It makes sense to me to say that many Third World countries are literally several decades in terms of mentality compared to developed countries - and in the case of some very impoverished African countries - perhaps a century or two. <br /><br />In this sense, Vox Day's theory of "civilized mentality" vs. "less civilized mentality" about this matter appeal to me. You can see it this way: as an American, you are used to respecting the rule of law - laws actually <i>mean</i> something - but in my home country, they are often viewed only as a means for exploitation. It is simple to observe that my fellow countrymen are not fully civilized yet, at least not as perhaps the Japanese and Americans are. And the reason for that is probably because we have only recently been modernized and liberated from colonial powers - one or two generations is not enough for people to start learning to respect democracy and rule of law. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-71442700164731201952013-06-27T19:13:33.416-07:002013-06-27T19:13:33.416-07:00I very much get the impression Vox Day is a white ...<i>I very much get the impression Vox Day is a white supremacist, but one who --whenever challenged-- ducks behind a very superficial version of history in order to maintain a veneer of respectability. </i><br /><br />This impression is certainly understandable. But say you were to ask someone, "Are you a white supremacist?" If you are a member of the KKK, then your reflex is to say "Yes, of course." If you are a more typical person you would say, "Of course not!" But if you were to really think about it, the question is nebulous and unclear. What does the statement "Whites are superior" even mean? The answer depends on the metric, of course. And so this is the answer Vox Day has always given (you can see it in his FAQ), and I think this is the proper answer also. We can't answer the question without much clarification about what is being asked. If it means, "Were white physicists, on average, superior to those of any other race in the 19th century?" Then the answer is undoubtedly yes. But if it means, "Will the greatest scientists always be majority white?" Then the answer is probably nobody knows, but most likely not literally always. Do you get what I mean? These kinds of questions are more meaningful than blanket statements about superior and inferior races. That's something that VD never does. There's always a metric involved, and in this case, being "civilized" is the metric - the ability to respect laws, function in a complex society, have longer time preferences, better self-control, valuing education - that's the feel of what being "civilized" means, and as a non-Western person I can certainly identify with these things.<br /><br />As a non-white person myself, I do sometimes also feel uncomfortable with VD's arguments, or the comments of some of the commenters, as he oftens points out the superiority of Western civilization. But personal discomfort is no good reason to throw away rationality. I think everyone should do the same, too.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-51688394765206218122013-06-25T23:53:09.314-07:002013-06-25T23:53:09.314-07:00+1, as the internet kids say. Thanks for dropping ...+1, as the internet kids say. Thanks for dropping by!James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-84028330316946238392013-06-25T20:47:06.998-07:002013-06-25T20:47:06.998-07:00I'm curious to see what argument you have agai...<i>I'm curious to see what argument you have against this. It's demonstrably true that there are no modern, developed African countries.</i><br /><br />I'm interested - on which chromosome do you believe the ability to build a modern country is carried, and how exactly does it relate to skin color?<br /><br />Be sure to account for the Japanese in your answer...Phoenicianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04211507669622120640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-20292123680803912412013-06-25T00:29:11.414-07:002013-06-25T00:29:11.414-07:00It's a, er... powerful image, I'll grant y...It's a, er... powerful image, I'll grant you.James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-82757457024256063482013-06-25T00:26:07.203-07:002013-06-25T00:26:07.203-07:00Well there we have to disagree. I very much get th...Well there we have to disagree. I very much get the impression Vox Day is a white supremacist, but one who --whenever challenged-- ducks behind a very superficial version of history in order to maintain a veneer of respectability. <br /><br />His description of Northern Europe being full of savages that had to learn civilization is a fine example of that. He takes a ginormous, multi-layered millenium-long issue and whittles it down to a soundbite. The south of Britain, for instance, was already Romanized before the Empire even arrived. And post-Roman Britain was a significantly different kettle of fish to, say, The Holy Roman Empire,and both of those were a world away in outlook and technology from the nomadic eastern tribes riding into Europe. To make almost any overarching statement about the entirety of post-Imperial Europe is a vanity at best and we should be suspicious of anyone who does.<br /><br />I've already said that Africa is a continent afflicted by the colonialism of several (ultimately resource-lucky)industrialized cultures and then latterly caught in the crossfire of the Cold War's machinations. Here, though, it must be said I am oversimplifying matters much like Vox Day, but unlike him I've dug a little deeper than 'Well, they're just savages aren't they?'. I can see why you'd both go for that theory though. It must be like a comfy well-worn pair of slippers than one can step into with no bother.<br /><br />That the link between a high rate of black crime and black poverty isn't immediate to you I find odd to the point of delusional (Must be those slippers again). Then again, maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps you've both been robbed by Herman Cain, Barrack Obama and Oprah Winfrey.<br /><br /> James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-34110076308545493112013-06-22T15:07:23.852-07:002013-06-22T15:07:23.852-07:00Note that I asked you to give examples of modern d...Note that I asked you to give examples of modern developed African civilizations. Your environmentalist explanation of why Africa has never developed those (in the modern times at least) doesn't answer that question, in fact, it assumes that you agree with me. You think you are rebutting someone trying to argue for the concept of an inherently superior "white race". But you aren't, and that is merely a strawman.<br /><br /><i>Well, it's a hypothesis that doesn't fit the events. Surely, being the superior race, whites would have had their own equivalent of the fertile crescent, their own dawn of civilization, their own Babylon 6000 years ago (Or even earlier? Why heavens not? We're dealing with the supreme people here)?</i><br /><br />If you actually read Vox Day's posts properly, you'll notice that he never advocates a concept of a "superior white race". Such a concept is indeed nebulous and possibly incoherent, and that is where I personally agree. In fact, his main argument is that white people were savages and brutes during most of history - think the Gauls and Germanic tribes during the Roman Empire. Western civilization only started to become dominant in the last few centuries, after about a millennium of being in contact with "proper civilization", including Christianity.<br /><br />In contrast, the peoples of Africa only got into contact with "proper civilization" in the 18th or 19th century. What Vox is arguing is that similar to white culture, which needed 1000 years to change from being savages to being civilized, it is natural that black culture needs about the same amount of time to overcome savagery. And he believes his observations about the crime rates of black people, among other things, to support that hypothesis.<br /><br />Hence so far you have not really argued anything against Vox Day's views. Your contempt of him is based on mistaken impression of what he believes. I myself am an avid reader of his blog, and while I certainly do not agree with all of his views, I always find them well-thought out, bold, interesting, and logical. No one in this kerfuffle has so far actually raised an argument against his ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-28370576024537423452013-06-21T00:06:32.819-07:002013-06-21T00:06:32.819-07:00The cognitive blindness is strong in this one... The cognitive blindness is strong in this one... James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-605469422150598465.post-30097345424741313792013-06-20T23:59:10.374-07:002013-06-20T23:59:10.374-07:00I should be feeling liberal outrage at these dweeb...I should be feeling liberal outrage at these dweebs, but what I mostly feel is disdain at their essential weakness. They stepped about two yards and collapsed into the nearest, most comfortable explanation of the world and never bothered to get up again. <br /><br />The upside to racism is it's a great way of getting a handle on someone. They may as well have a sign on their head saying 'Hello, I am weak and exploitable.'James Worradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01622688307092050113noreply@blogger.com